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You Don’t See It — But We Live It Every Day

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Something that I have been struggling with a bit lately is the fact that unless you are openly female on the internet, you probably don't truly understand what we put up with. Not because you're bad people. Not always because you don’t care. But because you simply don’t see it. And what you don’t see, you don’t feel.

For many women in kink spaces, existence comes with a constant stream of:
  • Unsolicited messages
  • Sexual comments out of nowhere
  • Demands disguised as “requests”
  • Aggressive entitlement to our time, attention, and bodies
  • Verbal abuse the moment we say “no” (or don’t respond fast enough)
It’s not occasional. It’s not rare. It’s constant.

Before we even get to explore kink, build connections, or just exist as people—we are already managing boundaries, filtering messages, and deciding what feels safe to engage with.

It’s not just the obvious harassment. Yes, the blatant disrespect is exhausting. But what’s often harder is the subtle entitlement:
  • The expectation that we owe a reply
  • The assumption that being in a kink space = automatic consent
  • The belief that friendliness is an invitation
  • The idea that “no” is negotiable
And when we enforce boundaries?
We’re called rude. Cold. Stuck-up. A tease. And those are the nicer things we are called.

So we learn to calculate everything:
How we respond.
When we respond.
Whether we respond at all.

If that was all, it would already be too much buit then comes the second burden:

Having to explain our experiences to men who aren’t the ones doing it.
The bystanders. The “good guys.”
The ones who say things like:
  • “It’s not that bad.”
  • “Just ignore it.”
  • “Not all men.”
  • “Are you sure he meant it that way?”
Now we’re not just dealing with the original behavior—we’re defending our reaction to it.

We’re asked to justify discomfort. To provide proof. To soften our tone so we don’t offend.
And that’s exhausting in a completely different way.

What does support actually look like?
If a woman tells you she’s uncomfortable, upset, or overwhelmed:
Believe her.
That’s it. That’s the starting point.

You don’t need to:
  • Play devil’s advocate
  • Offer alternate interpretations
  • Defend hypothetical intentions
  • Fix it
Just…listen.

And if you want to go a step further:
  • Validate what she’s feeling
  • Respect her boundaries without question
  • Speak up when you see inappropriate behavior
  • Help create spaces where she doesn’t have to be on guard all the time

This isn’t an attack on men. It’s an invitation
To understand that your experience in these spaces is not universal.
To recognize that what feels normal to you may feel unsafe to someone else.
To realize that silence or dismissal adds to the weight we already carry.

We want to exist here. Safely. Openly.
 
Really appreciate this post, and while it's clearly sometimes hard to understand (- as I never experienced this myself), it's important to try and see perspectives & viewpoints. However eager you may be to play and/or interact - you need to do this with respect, and make people feel safe & secure. Love this post!
 
Or worse, the men that say I would love to have that attention, its a good thing. Why can't you enjoy it? It's a compliment to be so desired. Or any other such BS claim based on a 0% experience but rather fantasy of how they think that attention would work. A fantasy that the attention would be exactly what they want at the moments they desire it, completely missing the point that the attention is constant and unpredictable, that there is no choice when or how it comes or even a way to stop it coming. Yes, when you struggle to get attention as a man you can imagine it must be so easy to just have it there all the time, but it really isn't.

To add to this is the entitlement that comes with literal 0% effort, when clearly written on your profile is do not do this, or that you are already connected to someone, or that something is a limit... But they haven't bothered to look at that, just assumed it will be fine. Now not only is the entitlement showing, but so is the fact that they don't see it as relevant to get to know what boundaries and information we have made easily accessible, and yet think they are entitled to time and effort.

Thankfully, this is something that is lessened for me in this space as I advertise I am trans everywhere which does have a large impact. But in other online spaces... I have gotten to the point of not bothering with them because of this behavior. Thanks Butterfly, this is a real issue that affects so many.
 
I think we men are hormonally bound to be assholes... Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.
I am going to push back on this point. There are men that are more conscious of their behavior. Hormones are not the be all and end all of this as don't forget that women have testosterone as well. Yes social and hormonal factors can play a part. But men are fully capable of making a decision to not behave that way. To take away the fact men have a choice and put it all down to the hormones is to reduce this to an issue that can't be fixed, this can. We are not slaves to hormones, we can and do make higher level decisions that go against base instinct.

I am sorry if this was not meant as an excuse and my response feels harsh, but hormones can not be blamed here.
 
I think we men are hormonally bound to be assholes... Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.
I agree with @The Brat Princess this feels like a massive cop out and blanket excuse to justify and not fix the problem.
It also kind of EXACTLY proves the point of the post - females speak up to having boundaries crossed and made to be uncomfortable for existing and men refute our reactions and opinions on the matter.

We ALL have hormones and actually male hormones are incredibly stable and don’t excuse irrational behaviour.
Ultimately you’re all grown ass men with a brain and capacity to decide how you act. It’s always a choice and it’s never acceptable.
No offence to you personally but the sooner we stop giving ridiculous excuses, openly communicate and work on being better humans it’s not going to improve.
 
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I don't think the "Men are idiots" was supposed to be used as an excuse - and the apology is too easy clearly. But I feel pretty sorry about how some men typically act (- there's a new interesting Netflix series on the Manosphere also, if you want to learn on how not to act...). Clearly braincells should be used more wisely in many cases, to create a safe and secure environment for ANYONE.
 
Even without living it yourself, the part of it that happens in public is already crazy to witness. Most online spaces, especially kinky ones, are always a massive sausage party for this reason and most of them literally behave like monkeys in puberty. If those spaces have any female audience at all, it is amost exclusively lurking as to not bait the apes. I have no understanding as to where this "entitlement" is coming from that you encounter so often, I can only assume it stems from being insecure about not getting a lot of love irl. I hope this isn't too white knighty but I'm honestly amazed at how many girls are putting up with it to be on sites like these, god knows I wouldn't
 
I often wonder if post nut clarity, they'd act the same way, and if not, why do they allow themselves to be controlled by their emotions, without empathy for others. It shows such a lack of self control, emotional intelligence and respect to the other party. Would they see the other side's perspective? Do they lack introspection or are they embarrassed to explore their behaviour? To realise, what they're doing?

Yes, there's times where someone wants to be treated that way, but I don't think they realise the consent, nor the trust factor required in that kind of play. The kind of people who think BDSM is all about abuse and power, rather than the kindness, cooperation and trust required for it to exist. I worry porn is a large driver of the opposite expectation, people who don't know how, to interact with others. A one sided selfish interaction for self satisfaction, where the very idea of aftercare doesn't exist, even for themselves, viewing people online in the same fashion as porn to consume, parallel to rape given the interactivity unlike a video.

In the past I'd had an IRL partner who'd with me, interact online sharing my account. They didn't want to directly be accessible for these reasons, nor were they looking for receiving/sharing pictures and such generally. But thoroughly enjoyed interacting with online kink communities, and putting me on the line:ROFLMAO:. It's a horrible thing that people who'd love to just interact and have some social fun, discussing kink, feel threatened, that it's a such a chore to just exist due to the harassment.

Those that need to read these thoughtful posts largely lack the attention span, having only a one track mind to take for their own satisfaction and leave. I wish we could collectively educate those who'd seek out to use other people selfishly and filter them until they learn to function in society. It's grossly unfair, that what I hope, is a minority, can cause so much harm to the majority by being so loud and mindless.
 
I am sorry if this was not meant as an excuse and my response feels harsh, but hormones can not be blamed here.

It was meant as a confession of sin. I wasn't seriously suggesting "hormonally bound" as either a real reason or an excuse. But I do know that I was an absolute pest and asshole even after I had arrived at some level of understanding. Maybe I was expressing hopelessness over the immensity of the task to fix this world?
 
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